God Centered Biblical Interpretation
Posted: December 20, 2006 Filed under: Book Review 4 Comments
Context:
This book starts out with a number of different examples of the way today’s world looks at scripture and how they interpret it. I’ve stared to see how others in today’s culture come to their conclusions, and how they receive their information other then scripture alone. Knowing that God is the ultimate authority, we should form that mind-set and remember that we do not need other writings, and other thoughts that contradict the Word. A proper interpretation does not include your own ideas and thoughts added to the text. A way of coming to wrong conclusions on text are, having a limited vision, making statements that are untrue, or sometimes making statements that are partially true. One of the best passages that the author Vern Poythress brings to attention is John 17. This passages usage two persons of the Trinity conversing with each other, helps show us the language used in scripture and also the communication that God maybe getting across through out His Word. In this passage we must differently remember that Christ is not only human in his nature but also divine. The context of the passage shows Jesus the son talking to His Father in Heaven, God, this helps us tie the knowledge of Jesus to the Bible. This knowledge gives us several parts of speech in its text and the surrounding text around 17.
When explaining what the Bible is, Poythress shows how God communicates to human through His covenants, and through these covenants God gives several elements to each one of them. All the covenants start with showing and explaining the Lord. From the beginning of all history, the past covenants are address to whoever it may be and then the Lord gives obligations to his people who the covenant may concern. After that, God tells his people about what blessings will become through their obedience, and what curses will come for their disobedience. Lastly, the Lord tells on how to pass on the covenant to their generations. Through this all, God makes a relationship with His chosen people.
When seeing that the word of God controls the sanctification of the disciples in John 17:17, the word that Jesus talks bout in this passage appear representative. Lastly this passage about the words spoken by God and the Father, are all personally present. Helping see these truths is what enables the transformation of his people. After developing this, comes a more detailed Christocentric character of the biblical truth. Some of the key passages that I found most important in studying this is Col 2:3, 2 Cor.1:20, 1 Tim.2:5, and far most importantly out all of them is the passage of Luke 24:25-27, 44-47. Because of the claim is right from Jesus it makes it so clear about a Christocentric view in the passage. Here Jesus refers to the Old Testament, in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Writings to all point to His fulfillment,which is leading to the conclusion that the Old testament is about Him.
The Bible shows us that human beings were created in a way that they could speak and understand language. Human beings use language that imitate God, who also uses a type of language but human speaking is just an image or a mirror of the divine speaking of the trinity. If we know that Jesus is the truth of God the Father and that his truth is manifested through the holy spirit, it helps teach us humans whatever truth we know. Proythress explains the truth in the trinity like this: “Truth in the father is original reality, truth in the son is the manifestation in reality, and the truth and the spirit is the harmony:”, between the Father and the Son through their mutual indwelling. A great way to illustrate the unity of the triune character in truth and speaking is the diversity in the four gospels. There is unity to the four gospels but there is also diversity in these books and an example is in Matthew, Jesus is prominently the Davidic king whereas in John, he is the son of the Father. In Luke he is the one bringing salvation, and then in Mark he is the son of man that will destroy the kingdom of Satan. The diversity in the four gospels is the difference of interest and personalities of the four human authors. The trinity provides an answer for relativism through its coherence, for God is one and doesn’t contradict himself in any way we should learn to appreciate the difference of the gospels but never forget about the unity and over all picture of all four. In the character of God we should never question truth because of the way it is spoken or what type of literature it is. Whether it is analogical or metaphorical it is the divine language of the true God, which speaks only truth.
The last area of content I would like to go over is the chapter written on History. God created history. The events in history took place in God’s plan of redemption. Understanding history and its lay out, helps us understand the lay out through-out in the Bible. History and the art of God speaking, have a lot in common. It is the most common in where God is speaking to the Holy Spirit and then the Holy Sprit carries out what to do, which shows events in history (Gen1:3). One of the most important parts to understanding history through out the Bible is history’s unity and diversity. In this the author explained the accordance with the classification aspects, like the fact that each historical event is classifiable. The next step in this process is to consider each instantiation aspect. This helps show how each event is special in its own history. Lastly is the associational aspect. This I find very important in studying scripture and how historical events fit along with all other historical events that take place or will take place.
Key Insights:
The first “key insight” that came out to myself while reading this book was, remembering that God is the encyclopedia of all knowledge. I am sure I have been told this many times, but when reading this Poythress brought out that God does not always just give that knowledge out in words or spoken to people. Seeing what we do have in scripture makes everything much more meaningful and places so much more depth to them. A good example is in John 17:5, where Jesus ask God to “Glorify me”. This is a absolute great example of redemption. This being the complete plan of God then seeing Him the father and His son, Christ, talk in a conversion, and say a remark as to that, brings the climax of my salvation.
When I came to chapter four I was most excited. With the readings of pervious books on the meaning and interpretation of the Bible, I was “pumped” to read Poythress’s view. For myself, I found this the most enjoyable chapter of his book. It was very simple but something that it seems so easily misconstrued, especially in the circle that I have learned in. so many people today make the purpose of the Bible something they think or something that they’ve missed in scripture. Mostly I have see how many people do what exactly they do. What this is I am talking about is that many theology students, or even scholars today lessen Christ in their purpose. I think that is because they sometimes become scared of another system of theology, or other sides of the spectrum. What I am getting at is, many times dispensational theology many times lessen Christ in any way of being a part of their purpose that the bible is over. I like how easily and clear in scripture Poythress shows Christ being the centrality of the Word of God. I would also say the purpose of the Bible is to reveal Gods glory, but I would add in the work of redemption through His Son, Jesus Christ. I would say next being Christocentric is not a “reformed system”. Christocentric is being biblical in your hermeneutic. If you are not you will miss the meaning and the correct interpretation of the Old Testament. I am sure that many people in today’s Christian realm would have no problem saying that the New Testament is all about Jesus. But I wonder how many people would say, that the Old testament is all about Him. I would say to that not being Christocentric in your Old Testament is not what Christ intended for you to interpret the Old. Testament. The book of Hebrews does such a wonderful job of this showing the Christ of the New Testament and how all of the shadows of the Old Testament have lead and only guided the way for the ultimate Jesus.
Another insight that I found when reading was the creativity in the meaning of the scripture. When understanding and remembering that God is the creator, we see God’s way of communication of the important passage and its context. The creator made his message to be made known in a creative way, making it almost like a scientific study that we must do to look and see the context of the text. In this there are many diversities in the body of Christ. Applications come in many different ways because of the different members in the body of Christ. Understanding that many applications can be taken but remembering the interpretation must remain the same. This shows another example of how there is diversity but unity as well in the body of Christ.
I found that being a believer and studying the scripture, and doing it in a “godly fashion” helps the church. I thought about the unbelievers in today’s world make so many mistakes when studying the Bible. How the unbeliever neglects that facts of keeping humility, and spiritual discernment in which I struggle myself with so much. How can a unregenerate man renew his mind when studying the scriptures make it all in vain (Rom.12:2). Studying the Bible and being a believer and a born again Christian helps us stay in subject to Christ. It also helps purify the whole body of believers. Teaching the Bible and seeing it actually be lived out is the reason for scripture. We see examples of this in the Reformation. Jonathan Edwards and how he gave the scriptures to be taught to help the process of stanification. As well as Charles Spurgeon and seeing what a proper study of the Bible can do, in bringing more to Christ and growing them in the scriptures makes the reason out of studying so much more glorifying to God and not man.
Many individuals have different perspectives on history and how it can or will effect their study. When we understanding history better we then can better understand the perspectives on hermeneutics. Seeing how each individual events takes place in order to make a process and show the rest of history to come helps see the value of the Bible. Another way Poythress uses to explain history is looking at it like, how history develops time. This is showing how each events can make the future and make that future event. Then lastly is the perspective of all history takes place now. That the past of history is in the present. Looking at history the way Poythress shows in his book, helps see the events that take place in history are always related to one another in some type of way. Seeing history in a plan that God has panned out and constantly revealed in and through out history better explains the work of redemption and what His plans were for humankind. Looking through history and seeing the typological and symbolical patterns that constantly occur over long stretches of history lead always to and form the cross of Christ. The death and resurrection of Christ is the very center of history. that’s that is what is the pivotal pin point in and through-out all of history no matter before or after.
Critique:
When first starting to read this book what came into mind was, “man this is so simple”. As I continued to read through chapters one and two and going over understanding the Bible and the interpretation of the Bible. I understood very easily to say the least. Easy and explanatory would be the keys words that came to mind over those chapters. Going into to chapter three and seeing his view of how the Bible is something spoken by God almost reminded of the beginning of Hebrews class and how Gods langue is something that we image form Him. The beginning of this book is very easy to read. Then I hit the chapters in the back dealing with history, which I understood, after that is when trouble began. The idols, global distortion, and of terms lost me. I have to read the book another time with a dictionary to understand his terms.
At first when reading the dialogues of individuals and their views I found it annoying and just easy reading. Latter through the book and reading it a second time I found questions that many of them ask, in which the bible answers. I also found their views help to asking questions that we should be answering in and throughout the text. Also questions that you could name a sermon or a speech. These questions have helped me in studying the scriptures and how scripture can and does answer everything that man makes up. What I mean by this is that man tries to think of ways that the Bible does not add up to. They also try to ask questions such as some of the ones in this book to go against the Bible. Poythress does a great job in using his mind and his hermeneutic to defend the case of God center biblical interpretation. Asking the question he does about the text his goes through has given me examples that can help me not only in my own study, but also in everyday life,through out my work field, and one day teaching either in the church setting or class room.
I also enjoyed the way Poythress explained history and how it leads to Christ. After reading the book “Beginning at Moses”, by Michael Barrett Poythress’ chapter on history made so much sense to me, even more than I knew before. Seeing how little events through out all of history lead to the point of the cross and then even thinking for myself about the events after the cross that stem from that pivotal point in all of history, I started to think how can one not be gospel centered. How can someone not be Christ centered? Each individual event in the Old Testament leads towards the cross of Christ.
Lastly, the chapters over how God communicates with us today are a huge in helping understand ones hermeneutic. Poythress does an amazing job of showing in examples of the trinity and also other scripture passages that he helps bring out the communication process of God and how we his created beings image that in our everyday talk. This helps make the Bible more easily to comprehend and also to see in God is trying to get out through history.
After reading this book I have come to the conclusion that you can not get what Christ has intended for out of his word, without having a Christocenic view, and interpretation of scripture. Throughout history, and in scripture Christ is the center of it all. Realizing this helps see the biblical truth in which God has intended it for. Becoming more detailed in the Old Testament and looking for history events that lead to the major history event of Christ help reveal its biblical truth. Like Poythress stated, “few would challenge the idea of Christ in the Old Testament”, but understand a correct view of the New Testament must include finding Christ within the Old Testament. Christ told his disciples this in Luke 24:44-47, and that all of scripture leads, and tells about Him. In no way do I think Poythress is taking any scripture out of context with saying these values of the Bible. He is opening a door in which we can find the true and correct view of our Bible, our theology, but far most important our Christ.
Dispensationalism
Posted: December 17, 2006 Filed under: Book Review 1 Comment
Not that i do or do not agree with the system of dispensationalism, this is only a book review of what Charles Ryrie has stated or believes.
In reading this book and writing this paper, I really do not know what to exactly say or get across. So I figured I would go over and hit some of the main issues that were talked about by Dr. Ryrie and show you that I read the book, and understood it the best that I could. I will be briefly going over some of the main views and beliefs of dispensationalism, and explaining the views that Dr. Ryrie takes in his book. Ryrie defines a dispensation as “a distinguishable economy in the outworking of God’s purpose”. Ryrie clearly gives the definition of his view on dispensationalism and take on scripture in the word. In a dispensation God places people under a stewardship, people invariably failing the test, with a judgment and change. Dr. Ryrie clarifies many of the misunderstandings that opponents of premillennialism and dispensationalism have tried to show. So through out the book I found two main factors I believed that different dispensationalist from others. The first factor is a simple realization that there are differences in Scripture. The biggest difference is between the Old Testament and the New Testament, but there are also other differences. We read of a future Millennial kingdom in which Christ will reign on earth. Surely, things will be different during the Millennium. So the first issue that led to Dispensational thought is the realization that at different periods, God has dealt with man in different ways. Then is the second reason we are different I think from all other interpretations. Is because the reason that led to the progress of dispensational thought was a couple of verses in Ephesians, (Eph.1:9+10).
Dispensationalism forms a solid ground to how many Christians read and understand the Bible. One of the first points I seen reading the book was Ryrie clearly delineates dispensationalism keeps Israel and the church distinct which is the most basic fact of it today. Secondly, that the distinction between Israel and the church is a system of hermeneutics that is literal interpretation. Also something we teach here at BBC. One thing that Dr. Ryrie points out is that dispensationalism does not spiritualize or allegorize the text. Lastly the third main point seem to be a conception of the purpose of God as His own glory, rather than only one purpose and that being on salvation. Along with those issues there are a lot more that I had read about. One area I noticed was that Dr. Ryrie was worried about others thinking that God saved different ways in different times. Dispensationalism does not carry with it the idea of different ways of salvation. Dispensationalism has to do with God’s testing, not God’s redeeming. Dr. Ryrie pointed out a verse John 14:6, where Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”, which goes to show that salvation comes always through the complete work of Jesus Christ on the cross.
Some of the beliefs derived from these principles or main points I have went over are six to seven main issues that was talked about in Dr. Ryrie’s book. So instead of talking at ends of all them, I’ll list them and give a brief description on each of the points he had talked about.
1. The Old Testament prophecies of the restoration of Israel to the land in the end time will be literally fulfilled.
2. The millennial kingdom will be literally fulfilled at Christ’s return after which Christ will reign on the earth for 1000 years.
3. The 70 weeks of Daniel refers to a period of 490 years and apply only to Israel. The first 69 weeks have been fulfilled historically, ending at the first coming of Christ. When the Jews rejected the Messiah, the 70 weeks were suspended and the Church age began. The Last or 70th week of Daniel, which is the last seven years, has yet to be fulfilled. This last week will immediately follow the second coming of Christ.
4. The book of Revelation after chapters one through five is a prophecy concerning some events that will happen during the last seven years before the 70th week. This 70th week is called the tribulation period. The last half of this week which is the last 3 and half years is the Great Tribulation spoken of in Dan. 9. This tribulation period is a time when God will pour out his wrath on a sinful world.
5. The coming of Christ will occur in two stages. The first stage will occur at the start of the seventh week. This will be Christ’s return for His saints to “rapture” his church. All of the Christians will be resurrected and taken to heaven and in which God has prepared for us. The church will not be here during the tribulation period because God has ended the Church age and resumed dealing with Israel. The second stage is Christ’s second coming at the end of the 7 year tribulation period with His saints to begin the millennial Kingdom age.
6. After the rapture and during the tribulation period we will see a return of the fourth worldly kingdom spoken of in Daniel. This fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire will be restored in time for the tribulation and will consist of a confederation of 10 kings or kingdoms headed by the little horn of Daniel also known as the son of perdition. The falling away is the rapture that which restrains is the Holy Spirit whose taking away implies the absence of the church from the earth. The son of perdition who is the Anti-Christ; makes all who live on the earth that time being receives the mark of the beast.
7. So through out all these points time shows any where from five to seven dispensations. One definition of dispensation is a period of time during which a man is tested in respect of obedience to some revelation of the will of God.
These dispensations are:
Innocence Creation – Sin
Conscience Sin – Flood
Human Flood – Abraham
Promise Abraham – Moses
Law Moses – Jesus
Grace Church
Kingdom Millennium
A new period or dispensation starts when God begins a change in the ordinances valid up to that time. For example a number of ordinances are brought into the period at the time of Noah. At the coming of Christ many of the Mosiac Laws are canceled. The purpose of God in each dispensation is to have His own glory shown.
Also, in my reading I saw practical ways I could use dispensationlism to better myself in ministry and in my very own life:
Dispensationalism protects us from wrong or bad doctrine that is corrupt and could hurt our practice of the word.
Our understanding of dispensationalism helps us out with our church practice and ministry that we carry out in church today.
We as dispensationalists understand the distinction between the church and Israel. And were we fit into it and how we fit into it and when we fit into it.
We are saved from the problems of trying to hold fast to the Old Testament promises for ourselves or to assume that if we are faithful to God, He will give us what we want.
If we follow Covenant Theology, and believe that the church has replaced Israel, one is free to show the respect to a Jews or persecute a Jews as one wants to. Although we the dispensationalist sees that God was working with the Jews, is now working with the church, and will one day again work with the Jews again.
Lastly our worship is likely to be very different if we assume God’s highest purpose is to save us, rather than realizing like a dispensationalist does, that God’s highest purpose is to Glorify Himself. (you talked about this in class on Dec.1st)
I have seen how dispensationalism has come to be discovered and through noticeable differences in how God dealt with man. I have seen the 3 distinctions of dispensationalism. From different reasons on why we dispensationlist are different then covenant, to the different dispensations God has spent with man in order to Glorify Himself in and through people like me. Seeing how and when Christians get a solid foundation down to our theology and doctrine using it better helps me and helps me in ministry. More I have read and take classes is the more that I realize that its not about programs and ministries that will work but in the end but it is who are to live out the word correctly with our house, family, and church. And in that do what all I can to glorify Him everyday, and see and know that it is not about Gentiles or the Jews, but Him the lord, our creator and judge, Lord Jesus Christ.
Tattoos and the Bible
Posted: December 15, 2006 Filed under: Anthropology, Tattoos, Theology 4 CommentsOne Bible Only?
Posted: December 15, 2006 Filed under: Book Review Leave a comment
In reading this book and writing this paper, I really do not know what to exactly say or get across. So I figured I would go over and hit some of the main issues that were talked about. Looking into each chapter and hitting what was talked about and went over just so I show you that I had read the book (I wanted some extra credit). I enjoyed the book and learned from it. I most accepted is the sense that the writers of this book are demanding common sense in this issue. I fully understand with them. This book’s brief layout takes the reader through the history of the KJV-only debate and delves into all the hot spots without resorting to putting down of making fun of like most Pro-KJV authors do. The truth of God’s inerrant Word shines through the book as we see the transnational process and preservation of our bibles today. So with out any more talking about what I had read or how I had read it, I will now list the chapters and the main points talked about in each of them.
1. Back ground and Origin of the Version Debate
In this chapter the writers begin to show how unalterable perfection had gathered around the Septuagint (LXX) by the year 100 B.C. Different authors like Philo of Alexandria (20 B.C. to 45 A.D.), Flavius Josephus (37-100 A.D.), and Justin Martyr (100-145 A.D. who was killed for his faith, all adding some work to the translations. Such as verbs, and self-same nouns so that things would work better for them. Other translations that were fixed to fit what the writer wanted are, the Latin Vulgate, Luther’s German bible, and believe it or not but the King James version. The impact of the King James only movement has influenced a view point that has become wide spread and very strong. Unfortunately the effects of this movement have often been very destructive. The King James movement has spilled over into mission fields, churches, ministries, and even schools. Accepting the tenets of the King James only movement has become a standard of orthodoxy for many people. This movement has been more destructive and distracted among Baptist than any controversy since the 19th century. The truth about the King James only movement has not created any new doctrines. All of the idea’s were exposed in the past for Bible versions such as: Greek, Aramaic, Latin, Syricaic and, German. Applying these old errors to any modern day English Version does not make them any less erroneous. One of the unsupported assumptions of some of the modern King James only movement is the claim that the LXX dates after the time of Christ and is the work of the origin of Alexander. Both Philo and Josephus are aware of and do not dispute an account of the origin of a Greek translation of the law as related in the letter of Aristeas.
2. O.T. Text
The great deal of debate about the Bible’s versions centers around the text of the New Testament. Not much is said about the Old Testament text. Chapter 2 focused on the development of the Old Testament text and the effect of the development of our English versions today. After 68 A.D. with the continued decline in the ability of the general populace to speak Hebrew and the factors such as the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and the rise of Christianity, Jewish people became concerned about the Old Testament text. First the Masoeretic should not be perceived as a perfect copy of the original’s because it is late in recession. Because of the evidence of evolution in script spelling and vocabulary and the evidence of updating and smoothing of the text vocabulary it is impossible to suppose that the Jewish scholars in the first century restore all of the words in the original writings. Secondly one must remember the Masoertic family of texts, that family associated with the standardization of the Old Testament text. The King James version translators disclaimed perfect nation in any copied text including their own. In fact these translators ascribed perfection to the original text. The original being from Heaven and the author being God and not man. God by the process of inspiration produced through human agents a inerrant and complete text of truth.
3. N.T. Text
One of the reasons for confusion about the Bible translations is people fail to explain some of the terms used in the discussion about King James only. Some of the most important aspects of the New Testament were as addressed in this chapter. In comparison of books in the ancient world, we have an abundance of manuscripts in the New Testament text. Papyri refers to manuscripts of made of the papyrus plant they are in unical script. Because papyrus does not stand up as well as vellum, only about one hundred of these manuscripts have survived, most of them from Egypt. Unicals are manuscripts made up of animal skins and are written in capital letter script. Minuscules are written in a cursive script that has smaller connected letters. This script began to be used in the ninth century to save time and because the letters take less space than do unical letters.
Modern textual critics classify manuscripts in at least three text types: Majority, Alexandrian, and Western.
The Majority text type is the basis of the recently published Majority Text and the text type from which the Textus Receptus comes.
The Western text type is the least clearly defined of the three types. Evidence of this text type existed as early as A.D. 200, and it is the text type reflected in the earliest Christian writers in Palestine and Asia Minor.
The Alexandrian is the text type that is generally found in the earliest manuscripts, including most of the papyri. Some papyri with this text type date as early as the second century.
Since the invention of the printing press in the middle of the fifteenth century, hundreds of different text of the Greek New Testament have been published Three of them are at the center of the discussion of translations and texts today. The first one is the Electric Text. The Second is the Majority Text, and the Last one is the Textus Receptus.
The electric text is called electric because it is based on and uses all of the manuscripts and text types, and all important textual variants and displayed in the textual apparatus. It reflects a broader textual base than the Majority Text or the Textus Receptus and is based on the theory that the date and quality of manuscripts is more important than the number of manuscripts. The Majority Text, in 1982 the first Greek New Testament based on the Majority text type was published. The Textus Receptus is the title given to the 1633 version of the Greek text edited and first published by Erasmus in 1516. The translation from the Textus Recptus and the Hebrew to the King James version was not a simple and direct as some people might imagine.
In Conclusion the Greek texts, and the King James Version is intended to help answer some of the questions that honest readers have about the King James-Only position. One purpose of this chapter was to help the reader understand the difference between the Majority Text and the Textus Receptus. Another purpose of this chapter was to help those who are seeking the truth on this issue to see the false claims of anyone who says that King James version of the Textus Receptus is inspired or would argue that one of these texts is always better to all other and therefore must always be the closest to the originals.
4. Preservation of Scripture
Some of the Historical Problems are the proponents of the Textus Receptus/ Majority Text make the doctrine of preservation a necessary corollary of inspiration, and they seek to establish textual purity and public accessibility as necessary corollaries of preservation. In other words, preservation does not mean anything if the text is not accessible, and inspiration does not mean anything if the text is not purely preserved accessibly. The evidence from history, however, does not support their theory. If the Textus Receptus/Majority Text is God’s inspired Word, then according to their theory one would expect that is has been preserved in the majority of manuscripts throughout the history of the church. To argue that God has preserved His inspired Word through the ages only in the Majority/Byzantine text type is more realistic. However, this line of reasoning also has several problems. There are major gaps of history from which there is no evidence that the Majority text type even existed!. The historical evidence does not indicate that God has been supernaturally preserving the traditional text in every age. As we already mentioned, King James-Only advocates assume that preservation is a necessary corollary of inspiration and that for inspiration to be true, God must have perfectly preserved the New Testament text. Another unsupported assumption of the Textus Receptus/Majority Text advocates is the pursuit of “certainty” is identical to the pursuit of “truth.” Many Textus Receptus/Majority text advocates have given up hope of finding absolute textual certainty by means of the standard methods of textual criticism; therefore, they have opted for a simplistic methodology that will give them a settled and certain text, the Textus Receptus/Majority text. This argument has several problems, and several of the facts mentioned already in this chapter contradict it. First, if they are talking about the Textus Receptus then what edition is inspired? Second, how can it be the perfectly preserved Word of God if even a few of the readings in it never existed before 1516? Several logical problems arise in the arguments for the perfect preservation of God’s Word in the Textus Receptus text type. The first problem is the false assumption that perfect preservation is a necessary corollary of inspiration. A second false assumption is the belief that divine preservation must be found in the majority of manuscripts.
Historical evidence makes Biblical preservation abundantly clear. God has preserved His Word. The argument with King James-Only, Textus Receptus, and Majority Text proponents concerns two subsidiary issues. The first issue is that of God’s method of preserving His Word. We have addressed this topic already. The second issue is that of the Bible’s own teaching with regard to the preservation of God’s Word. Another group of passages sometimes used to support the doctrine of the perfect preservation of Scripture consists of verses that, in their context, speak of God’s infallible decrees and moral laws. The Scriptures do not teach that God has perfectly preserved every word of the original autographs in one manuscripts or text type. A proper understanding of the doctrine of preservation is a belief that God has providentially preserved His Word in and through all of the extant manuscripts, versions, and other copies of Scriptures. The how can we be sure that our Bibles are reliable? How can we maintain the authority of God’s Hold Word if we do not have a promise from God that He will preserve it perfectly? For several reasons we can have absolute confidence in the Bibles we have today. Let me summarize one of them. God has given us 5,656 manuscripts containing all or parts of the Greek New Testament. Obvious from the evidence of history is the fact that God has providentially preserved His Word for the present generation.
5. Translation Theory and Twentieth Century
The Textus Receptus as a Textual Bases, One position in reality, rejects any contemporary textual criticism. This view holds, in essence, that the first and last legitimate textual critic was Erasmus, who complied a Greek text from seven manuscripts in 1516. The final approach to textual criticism is the electric approach. The eclectic textual critic, using all of the available manuscripts, judges each instance of textual variation. The eclectic approach to textual criticism has become the most predominant text-critical method employed in recent history. In the opinion of many people, it is the most reasonable way to reconstruct, with confidence, the original text of the Bible. Formal Equivalence is a literal translation where one in which the translator seeks to reproduce, in the receptor language, the word order, sentence structure, and grammar of the source language. A literalistic, word-for-word translation has a distinct advantage over other translations on the spectrum. One must affirm, however, the no Bible translator holds to a strict application of the literal method of translation. Where do twentieth-century translations fit on the spectrum of translation theories, with formal equivalence on one end of the scale and paraphrases on the other? Beginning with the formal or literal end of the spectrum, the first prominent, modern translation, a revision of the King James Version, was the American Standard Version. Some of the concerns with the Revised Standard Version, both theological and linguistic, were addressed in the major revision of the RSV, the New Revised Standard Version. The NASB, like the RSV, was a revision of the ASV. The NASB is a literal translation produced by evangelical translators. Like the RSV, it is not nearly as literalistic as the ASV. The final literal translation to be considered is the New King James Version. The NIV is the first prominent modern version that is not a revision connected to the KJV. It was produced by an international team of English-speaking, evangelical scholars and its copyright is held by the International Bible Society. The American Bible Society has been and continues to be a proponent of dynamic equivalent translations. A significant indicant indication of this commitment was its publication of Today’s English Version, also marketed as the Good News Bible.
No sound argument exists for objecting to the individual who desires to use the KJV because of its beauty or for some equally important reason, However before one chooses a particular Bible to recommend to another person, especially a new believer, it might be wise to take this test. If a literal translation were the version of choice for serious study, the choice for evangelism and initial instruction in the Bible would probably be a dynamic equivalent translation. Paraphrases also have a place in the Christian’s library. These are excellent tools for introducing inquiring people to the Bible. They also provide a useful, running commentary on the text.
The centrality of the Gospel/Bible is…?
Posted: December 13, 2006 Filed under: Preaching/Speaking, The Gospel Leave a commentFirst off I am not stating that any of you believe this. Some of you might. Secondly, this is because of the lack of knowledge of Christology in today culture. This is my argument, that Jesus Christ is the center of the canon, and is the main message through out Gods working history with his people. Not individuals, like Abraham, Moses, Aaron, David, Peter, Paul, or even yourself. The main focus from Genesis to Revelation, the very center to the Gospel its self is Jesus Christ our redeemer.
For my argument, I have 5 passages I want to look at briefly and let you read them as I go over them, then we will spend the rest of our time on one more passage in Luke, which I believe to be one of the far most important claims in all of scripture.
First I want to look at Col.2:2-3…“all the treasurers” obviously includes all the truths of all the verses of scripture. All of them are hidden in Christ. I ask about this what is hard to understand about all?
Now secondly turn to John 1:1… This indicates that Jesus Christ is the Word of God. From the beginning to the end of the Word are manifestations of this incarnate Word being Christ. Rev. 19:13…and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
My third passage for my argument is 2 Cor.1:20… no matter how many promises God ever made, they were done in Christ. You understand every promise made by God is or will be fulfilled by Christ. Starting in Eden, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and to His church, every single one of the them either has been, is being, or will be fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
And fourthly, 1 Tim.2:5… this is by which we are saved and are able to listen to God without dying. Christ is indispensable for our right reception of scripture. And since scripture has the function of bringing men to God, it is fundamentally about Christ.
Now for my last passage to define my argument, one of the most profound claim/passage over the centrality of the bible made by Jesus Christ Himself. First turn to Luke 24:25-27…Here the disciples are on the road to Emmaus, felt defeat after Jesus’ crucifixion, Jesus stops and rebukes them in verse 25. Some people here in verse 27 believe Jesus is referring to Him and future events. But I do not here believe this is the case at all. I see here Jesus mention the beginning of the cannon with Moses and ending with what ends the O.T. the prophets. Here Jesus identifies himself as the beginning to the end of the O.T. being all about himself. Which you would say to that…the whole O.T. is about God working out salvation? Right? And I would then reply yes, salvation in which is founded only in our Savior Jesus Christ.
Now for the last part of this in Luke 24:44-47… I believe makes this claim more clear then anywhere in scripture. “the law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms” cover most if not all of the O.T. Jews broke the O.T. into three major parts; Law of Moses being the first five books, the Prophets included the former prophets, Joshua, Judges, 1-2 Samuel and Kings, to the latter prophets in the back of the O.T. lastly the Writings included all the other writings not only referring to Psalms but all the rest of the writings in the O.T. Then Jesus opens their minds in verse 45 and 46 he says that “it was written” that the O.T. is about the work of Christ, in that it points forward to this work as what “must be fulfilled” which he said in verse 44.
Many of you if not all of you would agree with me when I make a statement like, “the N.T. is clearly about Jesus Christ, but most of you would either disagree or maybe never even thought of the statement, “the O.T. is the core of the N.T. and central to Christology. In no way do I want to force a Christ centric message into any text. But if you are not Christocentric in your O.T., then I would say that you are not understanding it rightly, nor are you understanding it the way Christ desired you to.
I end with this, for you that are going to be missionaries, I plead with you not to make Christ just merely some evangelistic message that you preach to lead people to Him. But Christ better be the center of your field…
Pastors, or soon to be youth workers, do not make Christ a message that is meant for big time events when a lot of people that are unsaved come. Christ better come out of the scriptures every single time you preach it. I ask you soon to be one day pastors this, “can you preach a message without mentioning Christ?”. If you say yes then we can talk later.
Fellow brothers whatever you do, in ministry, in your one day to be family, the church you serve, the times you teach, speak, and preach… if you forget about Christ, you have forgotten about the hope to your faith. Jesus Christ is your hope in which enables you to look and boast in the cross and not yourselves. I beg and plead with you for your futures, do not, please do not forget the center of the bible, do not forget the center of the gospel, and most of all do not forget the meaning of the reason your living,… which is…looking at Christ which shows you, (by the enabling of the Sprit) to Glorify God most.
The centrality of the Gospel/Bible is God revealing His gorily, through the work of His Son Jesus.
Beginning At Moses
Posted: December 12, 2006 Filed under: Book Review Leave a commentif you would like to purchase this book click here: http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Moses-Finding-Christ-Testament/dp/1889893390/sr=1-1/qid=1165931791/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-8665217-7421524?ie=UTF8&s=books
5 Point Calvinism
Posted: December 11, 2006 Filed under: Calvinism, Doctrines of Grace, Theology Leave a comment
The first point that is argued for Calvinism is total depravity. Total depravity is a major foundation for soteriology. Its definition is being capable of nothing but sin and is completely dead spiritually. This started when Adam ate of the tree in the Garden and brought spiritual death upon all humanity. Everyone born into the world is sinful. “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.” Psalm 51:5. And throughout the entire scriptures the idea of total depravity is taught. Passages like Gen. 2:16-17; Rom. 5:12; Eph. 2:1-3; Col. 2:13; Ps. 51:5; Ps. 58:3; Gen. 6:5; Gen. 8:21; Rom. 8:7-8; John 8:34,44; Rom. 6:20; 2 Chron. 6:36; Ps. 143:2; Prov. 20:9; Jer. 13:23; John 6:65. But total depravity is clearly seen in Romans 5:6-21. After reading that passage you cannot tell me that a person is not totally depraved. With words like helpless, condemnation to all, transgression, and sinful there is no other interpretation other than that man is utterly depraved and helpless apart from God. “I am bound to the doctrine of the depravity of the human heart, because I find myself depraved in heart, and have daily proofs that in my flesh there dwelleth no good thing.” Spurgeon
Next in the argument for Calvinism is limited atonement (not unconditional election as is taught in the acrostic TULIP because this is the order in soteriology). Limited atonement is not that Christ died only for the elect, but that Christ died more for the elect to purchase them and bring them into a new covenant. If you say that Christ’ death did the same thing for all of humanity, than I am no better off spiritually speaking than any other person who is going to hell. There needs to be something extra that his death did for the elect. John 3:16 explains this. “For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” God loves the world, but only those in the elect (those who have believed) receive eternal life. Once again, if Christ’ death covers everyone’s sin, than everyone is either condemned to hell or heaven.
Thirdly, the Calvinist argument states that there is unconditional election. Unconditional election is God choosing the elect before the foundations of the earth. “Just as He chose us in him before the foundation of the world that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will.” Ephesians 1:4-5. As utterly depraved people, we, as the creation, have no say in what happens to us. Only God can determine that. God could have chosen to send us all to hell or heaven but he did not. He chose to elect a body of believers to fellowship with him in eternity. We, as humans, have no say in our eternal destiny.
This brings us to Irresistible Grace. Irresistible Grace is a work of the Holy Spirit which draws the elect of God to salvation, guaranteeing their response to the gospel. And we, as the creation of God, cannot accept or refuse God’s love or hate. Because of man’s total depravity and God’s unconditional election, it is impossible for us to reject or accept God’s grace. “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out” John 6:37. To say that we can accept or reject God’s grace is to say that we have power over the Holy Spirit. And by no means are we, as man, able to over-rule the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit moves wherever it desires and nothing can stand in its way. All the way through history, God has had (and still does) complete control over everything in the universe. To say anything less, especially that a sinful human can over-power God, is to take away from God’s holy character and his complete power over all and give God’s glory to mankind. Total depravity God is all-powerful and there is no way that man could ever resist God’s grace.
The last point of Calvinism is Perseverance of the saints. Perseverance of the saints is simply that a true believer will persevere in faith, no matter what, to the end. Eternal Security Rom. 8:1 – “There is therefore NOW NO CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ Jesus.” Rom.8:35 – NOTHING can separate the believer from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus. John 10:27-28 – ” And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall NEVER perish.” Eternal life is eternal. This is a gift, unconditional, not to be taken back. Eph. 1:13-14 – “you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance.” If one is saved, God’s peace will be with him always (John 14:27) and he will be growing in his relationship with Christ. If a person is thought to fall away from the faith, although we cannot judge his heart, one has to wonder if he was really saved. A person who is saved will not love his salvation no matter what.
Preaching the Whole Bible as Christian Scripture
Posted: December 7, 2006 Filed under: Book Review 2 Comments
A book review of Preaching the Whole Bible as Christian Scripture by Graeme
Goldsworthy
Content:
Graeme Goldsworthy begins “Preaching the Whole Bible as Christian Scripture” by explaining the importance of preaching, and how it is the very act of what the local church lives to do in the hearts of people. He starts by using the text of 1 Corinthians 2:2 to show how Paul constantly addresses the main issue of his letters always being Christ first. He then continues to argue how it is easily miss interrupted when preaching the stories of men in the Old Testament. Christians today do not understand that Christ is the center of the New Testament as well Old Testament. What most Christian do today is live like the Gospel was an event, and they do not actually see its whole role through-out Scriptures. When we believe that the Gospel is an event, it does not become a lifestyle as it was meant to be. This means that the gospel must be the center of our own thinking. We must remember as Christians that the Gospel is central not only to our minds and thinking but central to the Bible and theology as well. The Bible brings this to a climax when it points Christ on the cross because that is when freedom comes from the Law.
Also I understand the meaning of what an evangelical person is. It is a Gospel person. A Gospel person is someone who accepts biblical authority in all areas of life. The Bible started from the beginning when God said “let there be” (Genesis 1:3) and there was light. What His Word says has always been and will always be final in a Christian’s life.
The Bible has been under attack since the Enlightenment with the rejection of God. That is when a change in a man’s mind start to question the Word of God. They question the truth and unity of God‘s Word and even God Himself. With this they have started to treat individuals in the Bible as examples of how to live, missing the true mark of the work of God. The center of the Bible is Christ and not individual’s writings or stories. This is where many theologians and pastors have taken God’s Word out of context and have mislead congregations.
Then I see how God calls His people to live and serve Him. It is never the man going to do a work for God because they want to, but God doing the work in the man. God called Abraham and Moses to do His will and work in order that they may serve Him because He wants His Glory. The only way men found God was first set with God calling them out of Egypt. The example of Egypt shows that God is first and not something we think of after our story of the wilderness.
The question in chapter three is “what is biblical theology?” It is about the quest for the big picture, or what is the main focus of the Bible through its’ revelation. Preaching with a purpose should always bring people back to that focus. Today liberal theology has made it seem that God was not up to the task of saying and showing what He wanted in ways humans today can understand. This destroys the message of the Word of God. We look at the Old Testament not as theology but as some historical record. This is critical because we must look at the Bible as a whole historical event and not merely a number of them just thrown together. Through this we must remember Scripture stands alone. This is only when biblical theology works in understanding that we do not need man’s presumptions, theory, or methods that fragment the Word.
This is where we look for the starting point of the message the Bible is trying to show to us. The message is Christ with the work in the New Testament and fulfilling the Old Testament while waiting for His kingdom. Jesus is the goal of the Old Testament and is fulfilling the goal in the New. So why not would this not be the key message of scripture? We cannot take the message as meanings or reasons how we want to but must see what the writers understood from their own historical context. We must be concerned with how God’s character is reveled at the given time, not what we want to say. This is the function of biblical theology. We must watch the still shots of what put all together show the message of God’s Word.
The last content in this chapter shows the story of redemption throughout the Word. Man looks at history as events and does not place them together unlike Scripture which is a series of events divinely ordered for a purpose. With this it is seen how God fulfills past events and placed them together to make known His message. This is were salvation is shown. Redemption is shown theological, historical, and liturgical in God’s Word. The literature of God’s Word works to convey His message. This is the very important aspect of the context of any biblical text.
The very act of preaching from the beginning has never been to give a new opinion or creative way but to proclaim the Word of God. No matter what the form that was used the gospel was always proclaimed which was the reason for the numbers of people added to the church. Seeing how Jesus Christ preached and taught the Scriptures helps us understand the way we need to study for ourselves, and the way we need to get across the message of the Scriptures. One of the ways in doing this is to become sensitive to the Christology in the New Testament. The key point is that Christ did not come to wipe out the Old Testament or even start something all together different, but He came to fulfill the teaching and the leading up of what there was in the Scriptures of Him. In this we see how Jesus is a biblical theologian, and that the Old Testament is needed to enable us to interpret the New Testament. Seeing the gospel in the New Testament shows us what the Old Testament was all about and give reasoning more then just itself.
My last concern from reading this text is knowing the context in which the Bible was written. How the Word God leads and then shows the redemptive work of Christ. How can one teach, study, preach, and learn the bible without explaining the gospel of Christ? It seems to me that sometimes man makes the focus on some kind of emphasis and misses the mark of the true meaning in Scripture. This is due to man’s mindset of Scripture. Without great bible theology, there is always a misinterpreting of the Scriptures. Making sermons and devotions to fit one’s mind or for an emphasis that you want to get across is dangerous. There needs to always be a clear exposition of the gospel throughout any text. Although there is much in the Bible that is not strictly speaking of the gospel there is not anything in the Bible that can be understood without the gospel.
Key Insights:
The biggest insight that I first came to was how so many preachers today miss the mark. The mark of the Bible started out with Christ. During the writing of the books and of the Bible, the focus was Christ, so with this question I ask “why would Christ not be the focus now?” I see how we rob Christ of His glory when we preach about Moses, David, or Peter without referring to what was behind these men. What was the focus of the men when they wrote. These men are used to be illustrations to direct us to the glory of the reason the Bible was written, the glory being Christ.
Another insight is how God used Christ as the center of the New Testament doing what we could not, which is bring us depraved humans to God. Stories like Moses leading the Jews out of the wilderness are not meant to look at the work of the depraved man, but to see the story that starts with Christ leading His people with great redemption. This salvation in the Old Testament is the same salvation that Christ would live out in paying for our debt to His Father. These works of Noah, Moses, and others are not the work of man but of God’s sovereign work to bring man back to Him through redemption. With this thought, we see God always at the beginning of any task, situation, or trial we are given and not to let our minds run wild with focus on our human minds.
The first insight in chapter two is the fact that I will not rob the God that sent His Son of what is His. His work, the Bible, is meaningful, and this was all done for the glory and honor of God. It is not for me to lift up a sinner like Noah or a sinner like Moses, but to see how God is in control and what the work of His design and will has been and is today. Not one of these men would lift themselves up and say “live after me.” They would always direct their work(s) back to God who had place all things.
My favorite idea I learned in this chapter is preaching from the Bible without the gospel makes life become a legalistic reasoning. How and why we do things for Christ should be true love from our hearts behind what we do. A message without the gospel brings no relief to life. How can a man bring a message without the reasoning of it being grace. Without grace it leaves no hope for the hearers of the Word.
One thing I noticed right away was how much we as Christians miss the message of the Bible because our focus is a story or event we like to read. When I teach a message or a piece of Scripture I must always remember what its meaning was for the purpose of God’s Word. Without the riches of Christ shown in a message leaves the reasoning behind any message without hope and the true meaning of joy. We must show the relationship between passages to have properly preached Christ. This is were the enrichment comes to the listener knowing the reasoning of how a passage has hope, victory, and grace. Knowing these things show a proper view of what God meant for His Word to show, that is His Son.
Another key insight I have done much thinking about was the fact that Christ declares Himself the goal of the sovereign work of His Father. Thinking about this made me think about how much we Christians really tend to miss that mark and especially in our Christian educations. I see an extreme need for a course of correct biblical theology and not some light, simple, feel good class that allows the hearer to be perverse in their own thinking about Jesus Christ. Most schools and even churches today have a weak understanding of the Old Testament, and with this comes a weak understanding of the gospel. Therefore, both schools and churches need proper biblical theology.
The Bible is primarily about God, not man, and about Jesus and his saving act. The key is to take the focus on Christ and not man, then a sermon that has been enriched with the depths of the fullness of Jesus and His true redemption work and not merely some mind set upon a sinner that can never have hope in himself when focused on nothing but himself. To preach, speak, and even teach about man’s problems, situations, life, and so on without the significance of the gospel is to take God’s Word way out of understanding and completely go against it by saying that we must not understand the humanity in Scripture. To preach a message or study the Word focused toward humans and their nature without hope, joy, and the gospel is like perverting one’s mind and not giving one’s problems, trails, and life theology correctly.
Preachers and studiers must be careful not to try to be relevant to humans just because they think they need it. A sermon that is made for entertainment for church or class is wrong in every way. This takes a mindset that must have already formed ideas and is prejudice towards something or even maybe someone. In that mindset of studying and relaying the Scripture is not the reasoning we should teach the Word. Preach the Word being as pure in mind and in life as possible with and open mind set and heart that will allow yourself to even learn more than the audience.
When studying a passage or book of the Bible, it must in some way testify to Christ and His gospel as God meant it for salvation. So therefore we must not go into the Scripture looking for text that makes one feel good or be on the “outlook” for a phase of something that will help man, but we must dig deep into theology and then see that Jesus has gave us victory and redeemed us from hell, there realizing that stories within the Story will help one find the true meanings of Scripture and life changes and not fuzzies nor changes that do not last, but the gospel changes lives.
Some more insights that have made me think for my own personal use as far as preaching and teaching is how we make teaching and preaching to sound simple. This hurts the hears ears to get a wrong view of what it is supposed to be. By making a message sound simple for a audience is making one’s message fit for your own self. Who are we to pick and choose how to make something “sound good” or to fit for ones ears. We should never lessen any bit of the Word to entertain ones wants or likes, but preach the Word with fullness and richness that it has.
I found in reading this book telling one that they need to choose from heaven or hell is not giving the gospel. One must explain that true repentance and faith go hand in hand. This is a free gift from the Holy Spirit that God has given us through his Son Jesus Christ. Without being given a true gospel it might be as if I have lessened the gospel and made it sound like a free gift that anyone could have. Only if they have repented and turned from sin, knowing that their faith they now have in Christ was only given to them from Christ by which God has done and not any man’s message or decision.
Lastly, I see and hear preachers today preach a message so lawful in teaching what we must do. They never explain about what God has done but rather explain how we can get ourselves right before the eyes of the Lord, yet seems like we can without Christ. A message that never explains where our hope lies, and where we can find a Savior that has already gave grace in order to change our lives for him. A message without Christ always shows law. Preaching lawful sermons undermines the thinking of a congregation and not revealing the true mystery of the Gospel which lead them to God.
Critique:
This might have been the hardest and longest book I have read in a long time. I have never learned so much from one book in my life. I can not thanks Mr. Goldsworthy enough for his time and his thought and mindset upon the Scriptures for showing my eye, mind, and heart things in the Word of God I have never seen. What I love most about this book was that fact that my own messages, devotions, and studies have changed more in depth with the intellection on Scriptures that I can only start to use in my life to turn it into a loving relationship my own personal Savior Jesus Christ.
The book knowledge has helped me so well that I may now get a more correct view on what the Gospel truly is and has done already in my life, not to mention what it will continue to do in my life from this day on. From seeing how to make a better interpretation of Scripture from different areas in the Word I now see that the Bible is not merely stories of individuals. A story of people that make thee story of Christ so much richer and so much more meaningful in my own life. When I read I can see for myself the divine plan that God had set out for my own soul. I can only try to grasp the grace of God’s glory that is shown throughout the Bible and actually know with a more in-depth understanding the reasoning behind Christ’s payment on the cross. Now knowing that one must have an understanding of the Old Testament to see what the New Testament is about and get a grip of it, I see how little I even know about the Old Testament. I need to start to know and learn more about what God made known to the writer and hearer of the Word in the Old Testament so that I can see even more than I do now about what the New Testament has for my life.
As for my preaching and speaking on the Word, it will never be the same! I have just started to realize how much it means to preach the Word. Just how much it means to make it clear but make it correct in the eyes of the Lord and not man. It is not meant for entertainment but to correct one mind and view of just what God has set it for in order to make my own and my audience’s pursuit of holiness even more pure till the day we meet Christ. I know can see how the stories in the Old Testament lead up to thee story, and how the books of the Bible go hand and hand in order to show Christ amazing love for his people. When seeing this preaching is never the same. In your preaching want to actually show the hope in a message and give hope in what happened in my own life giving the giver of grace the glory and not myself in any decision or preaching of what I would do. I want others to after a message see how that Christ is our ability to find hope and our giver in our faith that we might actually be able to see just in order what is the purpose of the bible.
In ending this I want to show how to see the big picture in small pictures throughout the book of thee book helps me see just how amazing redemption is. I can see even now one can preach or even study a story without seeing what its’ reasoning behind the story was for. From Noah to Abraham, Moses to David, and to the decline of the Lord’s people there after all I can now say is that I do not want to lose sight of what the Lord is doing in the world with his people. Nor do I ever want to think for a moment that I can not explain or teach this to others. I want others to have a correct view on His word. I want others to see His grace. I want others to have His faith, and not just for their entertainment. I do not want man to be happy with milk every time they study or hear the word, but I want them to taste the meat God has given so they can fall more in love with Him. He is their Messiah who has laid out His life and His purposes throughout His Word for his chosen people.

